tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post6690947508958173207..comments2023-11-22T04:10:49.266-05:00Comments on Dispatches from Zembla: Artists' SuicideAlokhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-54322980328227270672007-08-01T19:48:00.000-05:002007-08-01T19:48:00.000-05:00:):)Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-25427753034420217322007-08-01T19:06:00.000-05:002007-08-01T19:06:00.000-05:00Yeah, "conspiracy theory nutter" seems right.Yeah, "conspiracy theory nutter" seems right.Cheshire Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07463645065346922684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-85196962551379391542007-08-01T18:25:00.000-05:002007-08-01T18:25:00.000-05:00Yes I agree with you. In indian villages for examp...Yes I agree with you. In indian villages for example suicide rate is so high because the insecticide (or rodenticide) is so easily available. <BR/><BR/>I also read somewhere that the romans decreed some law which said that women who committed suicide will have their naked bodies dragged on the streets. The suicide rates dropped dramatically then. <BR/><BR/>cat: i was readin ron rosenbaum's <A HREF="http://ronrosenbaum.pajamasmedia.com/" REL="nofollow">blog,</A> he thinks something is fishy too. but then he is another conspiracy theory nutter.Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-60088287353600923512007-08-01T18:16:00.000-05:002007-08-01T18:16:00.000-05:00"A lot of people feel like committing suicide (for..."A lot of people feel like committing suicide (for various reasons, anomie, isolation, fatalism etc all readily explained in sociological and psychological terms) but very few actually do."<BR/><BR/>Well, you mean very few people actually succeed. Suicide methods are notoriously unreliable. For instance, only a very small percentage of people who try to commit suicide by drug overdose actually succeed. See that website I pointed to for all the things that could go wrong even with apparently certain methods such as the use of firearms or hanging. Moreover, feeling suicidal may not translate into action because painless methods of suicide have become relatively more difficult to execute over time. For instance, CO poisioning by sticking your head into an oven or jamming the exhaust pipe of your car and sitting inside, are both no longer options because technology has moved on. Additionally, over time, the state also has made suicide more difficult. For example, even though firearm laws are fairly lax in the US, states will frequently not issue a gun permit if the potential buyer has a history of mental illness. The distance between feeling suicidal and actually committing suicide is therefore a function of parameters beyond just the person's will to commit suicide. That is not to say that the will to commit suicide may not frequently be overridden by the will to live just as the potential suicide is on the brink of ending his/her life, but I doubt that one can generalize from such instances.wildflower seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524758486095224055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-29859527728572130972007-08-01T17:50:00.000-05:002007-08-01T17:50:00.000-05:00I'm curious to know how much the Scientologists re...I'm curious to know how much the Scientologists really had to do with it.Cheshire Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07463645065346922684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-41938175912491513742007-08-01T13:56:00.000-05:002007-08-01T13:56:00.000-05:00Aha, I have read both :) Skipped parts of Durkheim...Aha, I have read both :) Skipped parts of Durkheim though. <BR/><BR/>Jamison has written another book about artists and madness too. I didn't find it of much use. This is one subject that interests me very much -- madness, melancholia and its relationship with the creative mind.<BR/><BR/>As I mentioned in the post these and similar books only explain the origin of suicidal state of mind. A lot of people feel like committing suicide (for various reasons, anomie, isolation, fatalism etc all readily explained in sociological and psychological terms) but very few actually do.Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12674755.post-35004843551585132732007-08-01T13:48:00.000-05:002007-08-01T13:48:00.000-05:00You can find a whole host of books about the psych...You can find a whole host of books about the psychology of suicides. The classic text is Emile Durkheim's "Suicide". Another good book is Kay Jamison's "Night Falls Fast". <BR/><BR/>Depressing reading though.<BR/><BR/>If you are up to it, you will also find the subtext in this document : <BR/><BR/>http://www.satanservice.org/tokus/suicide/guide/<BR/><BR/>interesting reading.wildflower seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524758486095224055noreply@blogger.com